Banned by Josiah on ning hebrewisraelites discusson of virgin birth....

What do you think that the teaching that Mariam was not of the seed of Dude so her seed would not qualify to make Yahu'shua of Natsareth a son of ha Malak Dude(King Dauid)?

I believe she was a virgin and Gabriel brought her the living Word of Yahu'ah which she recieved which caused her ovum or seed to concieve without male sperm. I believe on her mother's side she was of the tribe of Leui and her Father was of the tribe of Yahu'dah through Nathan the son of Dude ha Malak. I believe the the anti-Nicene(before Nicean council) Fathers that tell us Luke's geneology was really that of Mariam to solve this problem since he heard the stories of the early life of Yahu'shua he recorded from Mariam after Yoseph was dead. I believe Mattithyahu's geneology was of Yoseph literally which accepted Yahu'shua as conceived by the Holy Spirit because Mattityahu got his record from Natsareth and Yoseph or one of Yoseph's sons who was not a child of Mariam since he was a Leui whocollected tribute for Rome before he left this to follow Yahu'shua.

See this link http://www.2besaved.com/2BSVirgin.html and maybe go listen to the two hour tape I find too long in explaining Josiah's position on Hebrew Israelites and let's have a discussion about the virgin birth of Yahu'shua. What does "the seed of the woman" mean? Does "alma" as described of Mariam who said "I know not a man" according to Luke's record a virgin?

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Permalink Reply by Wondell on June 30, 2009 at 7:28am: Let me get this straight - Josiah banned you for your stance on the Virgin Birth?

Oh and by the way I agree with you about Mirim being of the tribe of Lewi. Her cousin was Alitzebet who was married to a priest for crying out loud. Which made John the Immerser a levite and Ishua and John were cousins; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on June 30, 2009 at 8:37am: Ban was lifted now and all my post since I joined were destroyed! ):; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Wondell on June 30, 2009 at 9:01am: thats insane! You never should have been banned in the first place. That hebrew israelite site on ning. Is it a mostly black site?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on June 30, 2009 at 3:09pm: I guess I am banned again! I can't find it on my list of sites I am a part of. What can I say! I even told him tomorrow I would listen to the two hours of tape at my employers that has a computer with sound but he banned me again so I guess I won't! Josiah is a featured member here
( http://hisspace.ning.com/profile/Josiah ) so look up his ning.com sites he started.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Wondell on June 30, 2009 at 3:31pm: ahh yes. That guy is a member of a very pro black organization with the Hebrew Israelites. I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by j.e. on June 30, 2009 at 5:58pm: you're still listed as his friend, darrell.

things that make you go: hmmm?

shalom,

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Permalink Reply by Yaacov on July 1, 2009 at 12:43am: seed= zygote (not just egg) The zygote of Yehoshua was not from Miriam. Miriam was only a surrogate.
of = gestating in and being birthed from

1. Miriam said she knew not a man,
2. She was perplexed as to how she could possibly be/become pregnant.
3. She was chosen for this task by YHWH (favored above all women no less).
4. It is highly doubtful if YHWH would have chosen her for this task if she were a pathological liar.
5. Therefore Miriam WAS INDEED A VIRGIN!!!! (before the birth of Yehoshua, that is); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on July 1, 2009 at 9:01pm: Don't know if I buy the surrogate thing Yaacov. Ibelieve personally her "seed" ovum or egg if you prefer was fertilized miraculously by the spooken word she recieved from Gabriel that was later quickened by the Holy Spirit.

I want to be his friend Wondell so if he doesn't then he should remove me. Guess I will haveto seeif I'm on again so I can listen to two hours of his sermon.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Yaacov on July 2, 2009 at 12:00am: YHWH's design is always SAME KIND reproduction.
When SAME KIND reproduction is violated, we get disasters like Nephelim and GMO crops.
Yehoshua has to be 100% Divine (of the SAME KIND as his Father YHWH and His Mother the Ruach HaQodesh), otherwise everything would implode.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on July 2, 2009 at 10:59am: We are the offspring of the Creator with sin in our blood being created in his image and made alive by his Breath. Mariam evidently was righteous and cleansed.

The question that nags me is did the Hebrew have a word for ovum,or egg, that could have been used when refering to "the seed of the woman"? Ifso this might be in your favor and she would have had to be a surrogate mother. I just in looking can find no word in Biblical Hebrew for ovum or egg differing fromthe word translated seed.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Yaacov on July 2, 2009 at 11:16am: Darrell, you said "We are the offspring of the Creator with sin in our blood being created in his image and made alive by his Breath. Mariam evidently was righteous and cleansed."
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The way you use "offspring", implies sexual reproduction.
"Created" is different than "Pro-creation"
Adahm and Chawa were not made by sexual reproduction.

How is it not blasphemous to imply that there was quasi-sexual reproduction involved between a mortal (Miriam) and her Maker (Supreme Divine Immortal) with Gabriel as an alleged third sexual partner?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on July 2, 2009 at 11:30am: It was pure in that the living word was accepted from an angel or messenger if you prefer Gabriel(Hero of El) by Mariam which is what impreganated the "seed" or ovum,making Yahu'shua the seed of the woman,the seed of Dude ha Malak l'Ishrael, and the seed of Yahu'ah the living word, not sexual reproduction just like Adam and Kahu'ah were created by the living Breath of Yahu'ah!; ▶ Reply to This